brodie helmet identification

L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . Share 9 posts Mariner109 16 Gefreiter Mar 27, 2010 #1 My buddy has a Brodie Helmet which he might be offering for sale. I think I have read it is thought to be another mark of Firth and sons, but that make no reason for the K. I think it is quite a common mark though. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. I need your help to identify this helmet shell. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. sizes 54cm to 62cm. Ones with three holes drilled over the ears on each side didn't pass quality . The ring didnt stay gone long and was brought back in 1917 no doubt to the joy of the average Tommy. 14th Bde. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. dailyinfo[18]=' 6422 Private Charlie GILBERT 4th Coy. Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. Get 5% Off With Coupon Code itscold Offer Ends 3/1/2023, The Brodie to the M1: The Evolution of Americas Most Famous Military Helmet. Also on the remains of the liner there should also be a date/maker name. NPB. Incredibly, given that the M1 was being used by some advanced militaries as recently as the 1990s and is still employed by a few countries today, the development of it dates back to the First World War in the mid-1910s. Paste as plain text instead, For a quarter of a century between the early stages of the First World War through to the first years of the Second World War the Brodie was the standard issue headgear for all British troops. Both were manufactured using a similar process. Thank you for that feedback! Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' Is it a WWI or WWII helmet? View detail. Generally soldiers were still being issued cloth caps or leather headgear of a kind which offered little or no protection from modern artillery and the shrapnel which sprayed out from it. Good to see that copper rivetswere used. Is it a BEF or US helmet? 1st Bn. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. man in charge. The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. It's hard for me to tell without the liner, but could the helmet be American Colin? Powered by Invision Community, Second World War British Brodie Helmet Identification, Helmets- mainly WW2 British and Commonwealth, both Civil Defense and from field service. Antique World War II helmet stamped and dated 1942 Canadian Army Brodie helmet made by General Steel Wares of Toronto shopatlanticcanada (133) $191.29 Vintage WWII Army Helmet 1940s Canadian Brodie MKII WyrembelskisVintage (1,643) $165.00 vintage army metal doughboy helmet IronCharlie (31) $345.00 FREE shipping The Brodie had also been employed in this way by the British in the inter-war period. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. and Gen. Hos. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? A few have turned up with manufacture marks similar to those found on British shells A number of firms made P17s for the U.S. Military. It is unknown what is any maker marks these companies used. I would leave the chin strap that is original, it's up to you what you want to do, with the helmet shell, it would have had an originalBMB liner dated the same as the shell, but I've seen BMB helmets with other maker. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' Sorry for the long post and thanks for any info you can give me. As the use of the helmet spread it became known by several other names, including the shrapnel helmet, the battle bowler (owing to its resemblance to a bowler hat), the Tommy helmet (owing to its employment by American troops), the tin hat and the doughboy helmet, doughboy being a widely used name for American infantrymen during the First World War. Indeed, a domestically produced version of the M1 is still in use today amongst the Indian armed forces, as well as several other countries such as Vietnam, Turkey and Colombia, albeit often in a ceremonial capacity. Pasted as rich text. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' var day=mydate.getDay() Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. Frank Harrison EDINGER Army Chaplains Department who died 26/02/1918 HOLLYBROOK MEMORIAL, SOUTHAMPTON United Kingdom ' In August 1915 he acquired a patent for a steel helmet design of his own, one which could be produced from a single sheet of steel pressed into the first basic Brodie helmet. Hi! The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. From left to right: A pair of clamped chin straps with male snaps for the parachutist M1 helmet and liner next to a pair of standard infantry chinstrap used from early 1950s to the mid-1970s. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' WW2 British Army Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. He did work there before the war but we are not sure if he held that position pre-war. After the introduction of the M1 helmet surplus M1917A1. Here is a good thread with a posting describing the British manufacturer codes. , By Remembered Today: Powered by Invision Community, Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. All helmets of this shape and form are known as Brodie helmets - even the ones manufactured abroad. Available on our website now, Danish m23. dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. blunderbuss2 5 years ago. dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. Unfortunately, your registration has been declined by the auctioneer. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' If its a split rivet that holds the bails in place, its Brit. The Brodie helmet, nicknamed after it's designer, John Brodie, was Britain's answer in 1915 to the disproportionate number of head wounds by troops at the front. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. Some American helmets tend to be a darker olive color, while others have paint identical to their British counter parts. It also is interesting that the British kept the Brodie Helmet while the US went to the M1 for better protection. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. Easiest well to tell if the shell is Brit or US is by how the chin strap bails are held in place. dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. Its becoming more popular. var dailyinfo= new Array(31) dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. and 34th Coy. The Brodie helmet is a steel combat helmet designed and patented in London in 1915 by Latvian inventor John Leopold Brodie (Latvian: Leopolds Janno Braude).A modified form of it became the Helmet, Steel, Mark I in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the US. A later study at the end of the Second World War would show that approximately 54% of bullets which hit the M1 of servicemen in Europe and the Pacific failed to penetrate the helmet. If solid rivets, its US. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Thanks for the info lads. In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. var mydate=new Date() The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). He worked in Eastgate House, Exter. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. UK. dailyinfo[5]=' 12147 Private Harry COOK 8th Bn. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. whitman75 6 years ago. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. shells were re-used by the civil defence services. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Those U.S. forces that worked with the French Army wore the Adrian Helmet. H.M.S. U.S. M2 82nd Airborne Pathfinder Camo. If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. 3rd Bn. Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. Please enquire in advance about our arrangements for telephone bidding. 2nd Bn. During the 1920s, the Army investigated several designs. Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. The liner can always be a replacementthough that style screams WWI and should be held in place with a rivet.. Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet. Failing this, simply search on this forum under Brodie and you should find a wealth of information etc. G. Budd Manufacturing Co. ), ( ZJ- Marks belong to Columbian Enamelling & Stamping Co. ). crewnail 2 years ago. The helmet was painted a camouflage mix of green, blue and orange, though a variety of alternative colours were also introduced for use in different theatres. Significantly, over 400,000 Brodies were sold to the United States for use in France after they joined the war in April 1917. Specification. The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie. Your previous content has been restored. s it original or repro or which version. I now think the 3 letters on the fromt is actually D then a Crown then the letter H. Also after cleaning the helmet i have found the liner manufacturers: Vero 2 = Everett.W.Vero & Co London.1937 - 1944, Very interesting Tom, if it is a crown then the letters could stand for Department Head to show he was the top. Mar 11, 2023 Confederate Id'd Saber by Haiman, 31st Virginia $2,100. dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. The helmets I have seen wereUSM1 helmets, however they might have worn the Brodie pattern too earlier on. While the paint was still wet it was dusted with a coat of saw dust. They were produced Nov.1940 thru May 1941. Though, my opinion is that the helmet is an American M1917. Here you go Kenny, on closer inspection it looks like the last letter is probably a B. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } colour is the paint finish of the helmet, in the photo it looks blue/grey ?. I already have two others. else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); } Brodie helmets - How to identify By depaor01 4 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia depaor01 Old Sweats 2.2k Location:Dublin, Ireland Posted 4 January , 2013 Could somebody post a beginner's guide to what exactly a Brodie helmet is, if there was any other type of British helmet in WWI, and how they differed from WW2? The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. | Est. And use of the M1 helmet did not end in 1945; far from it. Although to the untrained eye the helmets may look the same, it in the small details where the differences may be observed. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Yet there is one piece of military headgear from the twentieth century which was used not just in the Second World War, but also in the Korean War, the Indochina or Vietnam War, the Iran-Iraq War, the Falklands War, the Yugoslav Wars, the First Gulf War and a range of smaller conflicts such as the Cambodian Civil War and several localized clashes in Central America and the Caribbean during the 1970s and the 1980s.